Scrapy + tor always returns 403 but I can curl and browse

I am trying to set up scrapy

+tor

I am using scrapy 0.24.6

• At first I tried to use polipo
  
  to access tor
  
  as the proxy http ( https://pkmishra.github.io/blog/2013/04/16/scrapy-run-using-tor-and-multiple-agents-part-2- ubuntu / ) I can set my web browser to use polipo and I can browse with TOR and I can curl. I tried HttpProxyMiddleware
  
  and used env var or wrote my own middleware, same result: scrapy
  
  always returns 403

• Then I tried to use tor
  
  directly, I can configure my web browser to use the socks proxy again and I can curl with torsocks
  
  but scrapy
  
  always returns 403

Does anyone have any idea what might be wrong?

It looks like the error is coming from scrapy

because I have the same headers / user agent with and without tor, but through tor I always get 403